Database errors - Version 9.12

[the_trademarc]

Amla was changed after someone else complained about him being very defensive.

If Amla is aggressive then Katich should be very very aggressive.
No way I'd say Amla is anything more than very defensive

[Chewie]

Amla has a ODI strike rate of 85.79 which I would think classifies him as more than very defensive...

[Cyril Washbrook]

No. He isn't that quick.He normally bowls in the 120's.

No, zeduck's point was that in ICC, RMF is faster than RFM (even though most broadcasters and websites have it the other way around). Therefore, having Darren Sammy as RFM is correct.

And Mitchell Johnson bowls alot quicker than Jerome Taylor yet MJ is RFM while JT is RF.

I don't know what game you're looking at, but (1) Mitchell Johnson is left-handed, and (2) he's MF, not FM. As I pointed out above, in ICC, MF is faster than FM, so that's perfectly fine.

As for whether Johnson is faster than Taylor, I disagree. On average, there isn't much difference - but there's probably a slight advantage to Taylor. Taylor tends to hit higher speeds than Johnson, and more often.

[zeduck]

It's quite simple. Medium-FAST is quicker than Fast-MEDIUM.

RF, RMF, RFM, RM

Jerome Taylor is quicker than Mitchell Johnson surely.

[the_trademarc]

Amla has a ODI strike rate of 85.79 which I would think classifies him as more than very defensive...

But he's only played 16 ODI's, 15 Innings and 3 N.O.'s, only 4 times over 50. You can't base him on those numbers. 16 ODI's is not a proper criteria, I'd say at least 25, maybe even 50 because of the amount of ODI's played these days.

A look at his Test match S/R of 49.23, means he definitely isn't aggressive, and hes played 37 Tests, so that can be seen as a career, albeit only at the start.

You need to be able to do it in both forms to be classed as Aggressive. Graeme Smith strikes at 61 in Tests and 82 in ODI's, I got no qualms that he is anything less than Aggressive.

Amla, as brilliant player he is, is not Aggressive. Normal at best, but I'd say, based on his technique and role in the game, he is a Defensive batsman

[Chewie]

I wasn't the one who said he wasn't very defensive, i don't know much about South African cricket. I was just reiterating what someone mentioned previously in the forums.

[the_trademarc]

I wasn't the one who said he wasn't very defensive, i don't know much about South African cricket. I was just reiterating what someone mentioned previously in the forums.

Yeah mate I'm not having a go at you, sorry if it looks that way, just saying the stats lead to him being a defensive batsman, and well, this is a stats game, so it should be as such

[rishi]

Yeah mate I'm not having a go at you, sorry if it looks that way, just saying the stats lead to him being a defensive batsman, and well, this is a stats game, so it should be as such

trademarc.. frankly speaking this is not tht obvious mistake (if it is a mistake at all). Someone marked as offspinner when he bowls leg spin is debatable. someone who is always been naturally aggressive to be called defensive is also debatable. But someone who has strike rate of 40 odd in tests, and 80 odd in ODIs (how so many less odi's) can be classed on his most recent performances.

Rahul Dravid from India was no longer a very defensive batsman, in the latter stages of his career (ain't over yet), even though he still had strikerate of around 40 in tests.

[Scritty]

It's quite simple. Medium-FAST is quicker than Fast-MEDIUM.

RF, RMF, RFM, RM

Jerome Taylor is quicker than Mitchell Johnson surely.

I don't think so.

[Scritty]

Amla has a ODI strike rate of 85.79 which I would think classifies him as more than very defensive...

15 years ago 86 would be fine, but in SA (where scores seem the highest) it seems moderate.

I think 86 in ODI's is defensive (not very defensive) but in tests Amla's is 49.2..which these days, over a decent length career is definately VERY defensive (for a specialist batsman). It's actually LOWER than Boycotts' !!(Last 27 tests only - there are no run rate records for his first 81 matches) It is higher than Dravid's and Chanderpaul's (who have both been tagged "the rock" in the past) but Both Dravid and Chanderpaul have increased their run rate in recent years, in fact taken over the past 3 years both are a little higher than Amla's.

Which takes me to my main point.

Cricket Captain does not differentiate enough between the forms of cricket. Nor does it allow players to develop new skill, or entirely change skills. This happens an awful lot in real life. (Examples from those still playing.)

Flintoff. FM to MF to (now and then) F
Broad. N/A ( apparently leg spin though when pushed) to MF
Onions M to F (the fastest bowler at the last test in terms of mean ball speed and fastest delivery bowled 92.4MPH)
Anderson FM to MF. New deliveries (in swinger and leg cutter)
Cooke Very defensive (RR < 40) to Average RR >55

And players can play very differently in OD to FC cricket. RR's can vary wildly. Nice if these changes could be reflected in future versions.

Scritty

[the_trademarc]

trademarc.. frankly speaking this is not tht obvious mistake (if it is a mistake at all). Someone marked as offspinner when he bowls leg spin is debatable. someone who is always been naturally aggressive to be called defensive is also debatable. But someone who has strike rate of 40 odd in tests, and 80 odd in ODIs (how so many less odi's) can be classed on his most recent performances.

Rahul Dravid from India was no longer a very defensive batsman, in the latter stages of his career (ain't over yet), even though he still had strikerate of around 40 in tests.

yeah it isnt a big mistake, but it effects the way he performs, in real life he is not going to get 140 off 160 very often, yet he did it 3 times in a Test series against me. (143 off 168, 122 off 155 and 133 off 166). My point is, in real life he is a defensive type, and it should be reflected in the engine.

Yes he may score like that once, but three times in a row, and I tracked him over the next few series and strike rate was very similar, in the high 60's.

[Andy99]

No, zeduck's point was that in ICC, RMF is faster than RFM (even though most broadcasters and websites have it the other way around). Therefore, having Darren Sammy as RFM is correct.


I don't know what game you're looking at, but (1) Mitchell Johnson is left-handed, and (2) he's MF, not FM. As I pointed out above, in ICC, MF is faster than FM, so that's perfectly fine.

As for whether Johnson is faster than Taylor, I disagree. On average, there isn't much difference - but there's probably a slight advantage to Taylor. Taylor tends to hit higher speeds than Johnson, and more often.

Ok my mistake about Johnson, I know that he is left handed.
Ok well that explains it but then Ravi Rampaul is classfied as a RFM when he is much quicker than Sammy. Ravi bowls in the high 80's which I think has to be more than quick enough for RMF.

[Chewie]

15 years ago 86 would be fine, but in SA (where scores seem the highest) it seems moderate.

I think 86 in ODI's is defensive (not very defensive) but in tests Amla's is 49.2..which these days, over a decent length career is definately VERY defensive (for a specialist batsman). It's actually LOWER than Boycotts' !!(Last 27 tests only - there are no run rate records for his first 81 matches) It is higher than Dravid's and Chanderpaul's (who have both been tagged "the rock" in the past) but Both Dravid and Chanderpaul have increased their run rate in recent years, in fact taken over the past 3 years both are a little higher than Amla's.

Scritty

I don't think that in any way 86 can be thought of as defensive in an ODI. For example, McCullum has a strike rate of 89 and Oram has a strike rate of 83. Yet these you would say are aggressive batsmen without a doubt.

[the_trademarc]

I don't think that in any way 86 can be thought of as defensive in an ODI. For example, McCullum has a strike rate of 89 and Oram has a strike rate of 83. Yet these you would say are aggressive batsmen without a doubt.

But my original point is, he's only played 16 ODI's. A strike Rate of 86 doesn't reflect on an overall career, when hes only played that number of ODI.
And the fact that he has played 16 ODI's in comparison to 37 Test is a sign he isnt seen as a permanent ODI player, because, as a batsmen, his style isnt suited to the game.

His Test Strike of 47 depicts him as a Defensive batsman

[rishi]

lol...

so.. all this frustration is genuine.. Amla is making your life hell. 3 centuries

atleast if corrected in next patch, he'll score them slowly!!!