Proteas of the future. ICC 2013 should aim greater accuracy.

[Graham_5000]

Victor Mpitsang, Free State and Knights, not played in 15 months, I am assuming he's retired?

You are right! He is a great pundit now..

[Sureshot]

Victor Mpitsang, Free State and Knights, not played in 15 months, I am assuming he's retired?

[Graham_5000]

Another player who's abilities needs to be reduced is Deeb. After about 3/4 years into the game he is the main spinner in the SA team in all formats and is ranked in the top 20 in all formats.

I agree. I think he has been mentioned earlier somewhere, alongside Piedt and Simetu. I think that a greater random element should apply to some of these young players. In some saved games they should become test legends, whilst in others mediocre domestic players at best!

[Blade007]

Another player who's abilities needs to be reduced is Deeb. After about 3/4 years into the game he is the main spinner in the SA team in all formats and is ranked in the top 20 in all formats.

[Graham_5000]

My personal view is that Morris will play regularly in the limited overs teams (he has already played a few), and that Abbott, Gqamane, Viljoen and who knows, maybe young Savage have more test match potential.

[Graham_5000]

Chris Morris - I notice he is now playing in the Indian 20 over, his batting stats look a bit inflated, is it fair to see he's more of a bowler who can bat a bit? His batting record in the last 12 months isn't anything special.

I would say he is more of a bowler for sure. A possible batsman 8 in the future at international level? Maybe a 7 at best..

[KGKOOLKAT777]

Chris Morris - I notice he is now playing in the Indian 20 over, his batting stats look a bit inflated, is it fair to see he's more of a bowler who can bat a bit? His batting record in the last 12 months isn't anything special.

Yeah I was wondering that too. Before the IPL I'd only heard of him through Cricket Captain and he was batting at 3 and basically a part time bowler for the South African team.

[Sureshot]

Chris Morris - I notice he is now playing in the Indian 20 over, his batting stats look a bit inflated, is it fair to see he's more of a bowler who can bat a bit? His batting record in the last 12 months isn't anything special.

[Graham_5000]

Amla has announced today that he is leaving the Dolphins and moving to Cape Town to play for the Cobras! That is the first squad change I notice.

The Cobras international test players are now Smith, Amla, Duminy, Kallis, Steyn Philander and Kleinveldt - pretty handy when they are all there at the beginning of next season for a couple of matches!

[Sureshot]

Thank you

[Graham_5000]

Anyone know the latest on Johann Myburgh, opener who spent end of last summer at Durham, I believe spent some time in NZ cricket but is South African.

He's not played a game since end of August, his form was pretty poor. I know he was originally only signed until the end of the season.

His player profile is not on the Durham website and there is no news about him playing elsewhere. I'm assuming he's doing something outside of cricket.

Did he not qualify for NZ when he went there for a few years? Anyway I think he is playing for Sutton in the Surrey Premier League (he played there in 2003).

http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/9/9354/all_teams.html

[Sureshot]

Anyone know the latest on Johann Myburgh, opener who spent end of last summer at Durham, I believe spent some time in NZ cricket but is South African.

He's not played a game since end of August, his form was pretty poor. I know he was originally only signed until the end of the season.

His player profile is not on the Durham website and there is no news about him playing elsewhere. I'm assuming he's doing something outside of cricket.

[ThandiPienaar]

Titans have a big squad!

This thread is massive now!!! I agree that Obus Pienaar is useful rather than a world beater (after his average season), so I am sure he will be a less prominent figure in the 2013 game.

I agree the following need to be made worse:

Razak
Paterson (on periphery of Dolphins squad)
Eccles (who is he?)
Delport (on the periphery of Dolphins)
Piedt (could one day be good but as a spinner not given the chances
Simetu (see Piedt!)
and I think also Dale Deeb. Do you agree he is too good, although a prospect?

You can see averages for each season in FC, List A and T20 competitions for the 6 Franchises. That way you can see stats that are not tainted by provincial stats and maybe then you will get a better picture of the top players and potential Proteas?

Cobras

http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Teams/2/2114/event_lists.html

Dolphins

http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Teams/1/1662/event_lists.html

Knights

http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Teams/13/13400/event_lists.html

Lions

http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Teams/1/1665/event_lists.html

Titans

http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Teams/1/1666/event_lists.html

Warriors

http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Teams/1/1714/event_lists.html

The squad lists look correct to me but if I think of someone you have left out I will post another message.

[Graham_5000]

Does anyone have any opinions on these squads for the franchises (based on players who played in 2012-2013)?

The season starts in the late September and normally the early 4 day games are used to get the test players in form for the Oct/Nov tests. This last season, though, the Proteas were especially busy with England matches, Champion's League and a T20 World Cup meaning most players were rested.


Cape Cobras

MQ Adams
AJ Gray
BE Hendricks
JM Kemp
RK Kleinveldt
CK Langeveldt
RE Levi
J Louw
JL Ontong
RJ Peterson
VD Philander
DL Piedt
AG Puttick
MY Vallie
S van Zyl
DJ Vilas
LB Williams
DW Steyn
FD Adams
Azhar Mahmood (Overseas, T20 only)
FC Plaatjies
OA Shah (Overseas, T20 only)
JP Duminy
D Steyn
J Kallis
G Smith

Dolphins

KJ Abbott
CJ Alexander
C Chetty
Frylinck
I Khan
KA Maharaj
DA Miller
D Paterson
CP Savage
M Shezi
D Smit
P Subrayen
JD Vandiar
VB van Jaarsveld
DJ van Wyk
K Zondo
CS Delport
LL Tsotsobe
YA Abdulla
RS Bopara (Overseas, T20 only)
H Amla

Knights

RT Bailey
P Botha
GL Cloete
WL Coetsee
CA Dry
D du Preez
D Elgar
MN Erlank
Q Friend
RR Hendricks
R McLaren
AJ (Obus) Pienaar
RR Rossouw
RS Second
MP Siboto
AR Swanepoel
RK Terblanche
JJ van der Wath
SC van Schalkwyk
MN van Wyk
N Boje
D Olivier
JPH Triegaardt
LE Bosman
PJ van Biljon

Lions

T Bavuma
GH Bodi
SC Cook
WA Deacon
Z de Bruyn
Q de Kock
DA Hendricks
Imran Tahir
D Klein
GJP Kruger
E Leie
ND McKenzie
P Matshikwe
CH Morris
E O'Reilly
BJ Pelser
AN Petersen
TL Tsolekile
GC (Hardus) Viljoen
TG Mokoena
AM Phangiso
J Symes
D Pretorius
Sohail Tanvie (Overseas, T20 only)
HE van der Dussen

Titans

F Behardien
TM Bodibe
H Davids
M de Lange
CJD de Villiers
JP de Villiers
PL Harris
HG Kuhn
JF Le Clus
SW Liebisch
PJ Malan
LMG Masekela
NE Mbhalati
M Mosehle
RR Richards
JA Rudolph
GL van Buuren
RE van der Merwe
S von Berg
D Wiese
AB de Villiers
JA Morkel
M Morkel
MW Olivier
M van Jaarsveld
HH Gibbs
ER Links
SB Styris (Overseas, T20 only)
AC Thomas
Faf du Plessis

Warriors

ACR Birch
AZM Dyili
A Gqamane
SR Harmer
CA Ingram
A Jacobs
DJ Jacobs
C Jonker
AP McLaren
V Makhaphela
WD Parnell
ML Price
AG Prince
GR Rabie
JT Smuts
KR Smuts
BD Walters
CN Ackermann
J (Rusty) Theron
CA Thyssen
L Mbane
Samit Patel (Overseas, T20 only)
M Ntini

[Graham_5000]

There is some superb information in here, all noted ready for 2013.

As you all know we have done a lot of work over the last year with SA and we've made a good start, but there's still more to do. Provincial games counting as first class is a major issue in how we determine player abilities, but we've got a good base to work from now.

I should get through the stats for the last year shortly, so I'll be able to use this data to make some improvements.

Parnell is an interesting case, he's very talented, but he's not been at all consistent throughout his career, bit early perhaps, but is he going to be one of these cricketers who never has the strength to cope with international cricket?

Outside of de Kock, how is the keeper situation looking? Has Tsotsobe's time come and gone? I know he's a good gloveman, but the times are demanding batting depth. When I last read AB was giving hints that he doesn't want to do it for much more than a year or so.

Parnell had a good season for the Warriors. Jury is out in my opinion.. He is incredibly young still and has a lot of talent so maybe when he gets a taste of international cricket again he will grab the opportunity and deliver. I remember players like Hayward (Nantie) ended up on the scrap-heap after being exposed at too young an age...

In terms of the keepers, I am guessing you are asking about Tsolekile? I like him a lot but he had an average season with the bat and unfortunately his batting might let him down. Barring a serious injury I think de Villiers will keep, with Vilas and Kuhn as potential medium term backup options and de Kock as a long term serious talent.

I think the SA side of the game is looking good for future accuracy, as this thread has a lot of stat-backed-up info.. Let's keep it up!