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**ab5ides1** · 11-26-2011, 11:32 AM

In general the system for young players isn't very good at the moment and I believe the dev team have already noted this. So hopefully in the next instalment of the game we'll see a better talent growth system where there is less of 'this player is good and this player is bad' and more of a 'this player is good at the moment, they might get better and this player is bad/average, but they will improve over time'. Because at the moment most of the young players who haven't played much/at all are pretty poorly rated in-game where in real life they're 'hot prospects'. Then we have the young regen players who come in after the first year or two and are instantly awesome/good with no development required. So hopefully we'll get a system in which players improve over time when young and then perhaps get a little worse when they get older. I know there is a bit of this, but it isn't very well reflected by the game at the moment.

**pearljammonkey** · 11-26-2011, 02:40 PM

re the Aus WC 2015 squad;

I'm struggling to see the Watson/Johnson/Clarke trio all still in the side.

I wouldnt be surprised if by then Watson has retired due to repeated injury and Johnson has taken up a different sport - something he is good at perhaps? lol

But seriously that is 3.5 years away, it's not unreasonable to thing that 1 or 2 of the bowlers & maybe even a batsman in the 2015 WC squad being players who are currently unknown 18-19 year olds. Jackson Bird anyone??

Also doubt very much that Steve Smith will last the distance. I actually think that by 2015, David Warner will be a regular and could even be captaining Aus T20 side by then!

B Cutting, M Marsh, C Lynn are names that will heard a lot more. One thing also, your squad doesnt have a specialist spinner!!! surely by 2015 S O'Keefe will be the man for ODI & T20s? he cant keep being ignored.

**T-Mac** · 11-27-2011, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by pearljammonkey View Post

re the Aus WC 2015 squad;

I'm struggling to see the Watson/Johnson/Clarke trio all still in the side.

I wouldnt be surprised if by then Watson has retired due to repeated injury and Johnson has taken up a different sport - something he is good at perhaps? lol

But seriously that is 3.5 years away, it's not unreasonable to thing that 1 or 2 of the bowlers & maybe even a batsman in the 2015 WC squad being players who are currently unknown 18-19 year olds. Jackson Bird anyone??

Also doubt very much that Steve Smith will last the distance. I actually think that by 2015, David Warner will be a regular and could even be captaining Aus T20 side by then!

B Cutting, M Marsh, C Lynn are names that will heard a lot more. One thing also, your squad doesnt have a specialist spinner!!! surely by 2015 S O'Keefe will be the man for ODI & T20s? he cant keep being ignored.

Agree with you on Johnson - but someone loves him enough to have played this long. I expect that to continue. Watson and Clarke will still be around. Steve Smith has all three aspects of the game - bat, ball, field - and so I expect him to be around for a while. Lynn is a gun, but Cam Boyce is a better spin prospect than O'Keefe. Cutting is ok, but for what he bowls doesn't generate enough heat.

Love the discussion!

**T-Mac** · 11-27-2011, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by ab5ides1 View Post

In general the system for young players isn't very good at the moment and I believe the dev team have already noted this. So hopefully in the next instalment of the game we'll see a better talent growth system where there is less of 'this player is good and this player is bad' and more of a 'this player is good at the moment, they might get better and this player is bad/average, but they will improve over time'. Because at the moment most of the young players who haven't played much/at all are pretty poorly rated in-game where in real life they're 'hot prospects'. Then we have the young regen players who come in after the first year or two and are instantly awesome/good with no development required. So hopefully we'll get a system in which players improve over time when young and then perhaps get a little worse when they get older. I know there is a bit of this, but it isn't very well reflected by the game at the moment.

That's all good and well, but the reality is, some young players arrive on the scene and dominate from day one. I have no issue with super talented kids coming through.

I agree however that players should develop even if you aren't picking and training them.

My main point however, was that there are some young players - like the ones I mentioned - who are significantly better in real life, and the game needs to reflect that.

I for one want to play Cummins every game from 18 years of age through to retirement at about 36. The game however retires him at 19!

**ab5ides1** · 11-27-2011, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by T-Mac View Post

That's all good and well, but the reality is, some young players arrive on the scene and dominate from day one. I have no issue with super talented kids coming through.

Yes, I have no problem with talented kids coming through every now and again, but in the game it happens far too often is what I'm getting at.

**Cam** · 11-28-2011, 02:40 AM

Nic Maddinson is a superstar...
Also, Nathan Coulter-Nile

I also think Nathan Lyon needs to be upped aswell

2015 WC Squad

1) Warner
2) Hughes
3) Uzzy
4) Clarke
5) M.Marsh
6) Wade
7) Faulkner
8) O'Keefe
9) Pattinson
10) Cummins
11) CoulterNile/Starc/Cutting/McDermott/N.Buchannan

**ab5ides1** · 11-28-2011, 07:47 AM

My own personal opinion on the 2015 World Cup squad (discounting possible talent that may emerge beforehand such as players yet to play any state cricket, or who have played very, very little).

1. David Warner
2. Shaun Marsh
3. Callum Ferguson
4. Michael Clarke
5. Shane Watson
6. Mitchell Marsh
7. Matthew Wade
8. Steve O'Keefe
9. Patrick Cummins
10. Ben Cutting
11. James Pattinson
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12. Usman Khawaja
13. Mitchell Starc
14. Josh Hazlewood
15. Nathan Lyon/Tim Paine/Nathan Coulter-Nile/Kurtis Patterson

**cricfan1** · 11-29-2011, 05:55 AM

I have played lot with Australian career and have noticed in Australian
Career youth take too much time to show there ability
at around 3-4 years later at 27 or 28 age

**pearljammonkey** · 11-29-2011, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by T-Mac View Post

Just a couple of quick ones:

Pat Cummins - needs to be up-skilled significantly. His recent debut tour of Sth Africa shows he's already able to dominate international cricket. Also needs to not dissapear after one season

James Pattinson - should be RMF (consistently bowls at over 140 clicks and has touched 146 several times for Victoria). Also needs to be up-skilled. Needs to not dissapear after one season.

Mitchell Marsh - should be a RFM. Also needs to be more of a strike bowler - he has a Watson-esque a picking up consecutive wickets.

The likes of Mitchell Starc, Josh Hazlewood, Kane Richardson, Alistair McDermott and James Faulkner all need a bowling boost.

Matthew Wade is a gun keeper batsman, and is also aggressive as opposed to defensive.

to respond to this part of your post - kind of unfair on the developers to be upset with these players not being rated highly enough in the game. when you consider that most of them whilst rated highly in real life at that time (Starc had played ODI, Cummins was Aus contracted!) almost all of them had poor/very little stats at the time of release. As normally happens, players will be up/downgraded upon the next release.

I guess the real issue is that we cant take any of those players you mention, and turn them into stars with technique training. It seems that young players are either really good from the start or they will never make it. Steve Waugh took 27? tests to score a century, yet ended up averaging 50 (I doubt selectors in any country would be that patient these days! but the point is that irl players improve at different rates through their careers and even change styles (Waugh again, from all-rounder to batsman - but that's a another thread lol dont mention opening all-rounders either, or keeper ratings) but we cant seem to effect it, apart from very slowly altering a batmans preferences - and we cant even see or know how a bowler is improving at all!

also mentioned in this thread was that youth players take too long to show their ability - the problem is that we often dont get offered youth players until age 23-24, and then it takes a couple of seasons to get their experience up. 1 - we should get more youth players in their teens, just like real life. 2 - some should improve rapidly, some should take ages (Ed Cowan has been around quite a while and is all of sudden in the mix) 3 - some should burn out quickly (Mark Cosgrove, Ben Laughlin) 4 - we should be able to make an offer to players not chosen in the other state squads

**Hooper** · 12-20-2011, 08:21 AM

Oh no... I've just started a new Aussie file. I've invested technique training to Cummins and Pattinson. Please tell me they won't disappear after this season?

I noticed with my other Australian file which is in 2013, that Cummins isn't even available.

#stressinghard

**pearljammonkey** · 12-21-2011, 11:38 AM

yep u wasted your time. even if they do stay in the game, no amount of technique training could get them to test standard. due to their poor 2nd team avgs at the start of the game, and the hidden skill level is obviously very low for them as their state sidea drop them.

if u want young bowlers to start working on, try copeland, duffield, cutting, or coulter-nile

**Hooper** · 12-21-2011, 01:01 PM

Oh man... What a waste, and I've just won the first test in the Aus vs India test series! Cummins got a couple wickets as well.

Think I'm going to give up the Aussie dream on ICC, just seems like you can never do well with them no matter what you try!!

**Damon_3388** · 12-21-2011, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by pearljammonkey View Post

to respond to this part of your post - kind of unfair on the developers to be upset with these players not being rated highly enough in the game. when you consider that most of them whilst rated highly in real life at that time (Starc had played ODI, Cummins was Aus contracted!) almost all of them had poor/very little stats at the time of release. As normally happens, players will be up/downgraded upon the next release.

I guess the real issue is that we cant take any of those players you mention, and turn them into stars with technique training. It seems that young players are either really good from the start or they will never make it. Steve Waugh took 27? tests to score a century, yet ended up averaging 50 (I doubt selectors in any country would be that patient these days! but the point is that irl players improve at different rates through their careers and even change styles (Waugh again, from all-rounder to batsman - but that's a another thread lol dont mention opening all-rounders either, or keeper ratings) but we cant seem to effect it, apart from very slowly altering a batmans preferences - and we cant even see or know how a bowler is improving at all!

also mentioned in this thread was that youth players take too long to show their ability - the problem is that we often dont get offered youth players until age 23-24, and then it takes a couple of seasons to get their experience up. 1 - we should get more youth players in their teens, just like real life. 2 - some should improve rapidly, some should take ages (Ed Cowan has been around quite a while and is all of sudden in the mix) 3 - some should burn out quickly (Mark Cosgrove, Ben Laughlin) 4 - we should be able to make an offer to players not chosen in the other state squads

Mark Cosgrove hasn't "burnt out" at all. He was the leading run scorer during the 2010-11 Sheffield Shield season (806 runs @ 53.73 over 18 innings, with 2 centuries and 3 fifties), and has averaged 50.63 (37 innings, 6 centuries, 5 fifties) over the past three Shield seasons (2008-09, 2009-10, 2010-11), as well as averaging 53.16 in English country cricket during that time (41 innings, 8 100s, 9 50s). By rights, he should have been firmly in the frame for Test selection post-Ashes, as he was playing as well as anyone at the time. The national team people obviously still see his weight as an issue (and his form so far in the 2011-12 season hasn't been great), but he's been scoring as heavily as ever in recent years.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to next year's game to see how some of the younger players (from both Australia and other countries) are rated. A lot of new names have elevated themselves in world cricket over the past 6-9 months (since the game's statistical cutoff/release), so it's be an interesting dynamic on the next edition of the game I think.

Not totally related to Australia (but certainly something that'd help if you're playing in Sheffield Shield or International mode with Australia), but I'd like to see a feature which allows you (if simulating) to select who can and can't bowl in a certain match. It'll annoy me when (for example) I'll select Nathan Lyon for the Test team, wanting to get a lot of overs into him, and then simulating the game he'll end up having bowled just two overs (or something ridiculous) for an entire Test, while someone else who wouldn't usually bowl gets 15-20 overs each innings. It really doesn't allow you to play four bowlers plus and all-rounder, because one of them always misses out on overs. I know the solution could easily be "just play the game, instead of simulating", but sometimes you just want to "see what happens" and simulate through.

**Yankee Hotel Foxtrot** · 12-29-2011, 12:07 PM

So I'm guessing that if I want to play a game where Cummins, Starc or Pattinson are halfway decent players, I will need to wait until next year's version of the game.

I don't know why an editor can't be included in the game, ala Football Manager.
I know there would be potential problems with online players cheating.
However surely this could be resolved by some coding that could be added that would not allow modified databases to play in online games?

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