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    help to play one day and 2020 matches..im useless

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    Hi, i have no idea how to setup my batting for one day games and 2020 matches. The 4 day game im sorted but cant play the other forms. I have tried one hitting big one safe..all out attack and all out slow build up. i have noticed that if i ask for players to go all out we hit less runs than on a lesser aggression.

    any help would be great

  • #2
    Sorry, I can't help you. I've finished my first year playing as Pak having only recently bought the game.

    I was pleased with my efforts in my first 2 ODI series. a 3-2 win over Eng in Eng and a narrow 3-2 defeat to SA in SA. I scored several hundreds in those two series also. Since then tho I've struggled a bit. Lost 3-0 at home to India and then barely got through the group stage in WC before losing to SA in 1/4 final.

    The problem has been with batting. Sometimes it seems that no matter what aggression I start my batsmen on they just don't score, not even singles. I've had batsmen score something like 5 off 30 balls frequently. There I am pleading for them to get out and stop eating up and wasting so many deliveries, but no, they just hang around and score nothing. I've found myself cursing several times at the screen 'F**K**G HELL, CAN YOU NOT EVEN PUSH/NUDGE A SINGLE SOMEWHERE!!!'

    So yes, I'm no help to you.

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    • #3
      Batting: bat as aggressively as you dare. In T20s for example, I don't think there's any point having a batsman on less than 5 bars aggression ever.

      You raise an interesting point about max bat aggression. It may well be that 7 bars aggression is more productive than 8, under most circumstances. More experimentation needed!

      The other major factors are 'luck' and the relative strengths of the teams. Don't necessarily blame yourself or your strategy if you don't win a game.

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      • #4
        20/20 batting is a no brainer really. Just start every batsman on 6 or 7 bars and see what happens. I've never tried max aggression (8 bars) from the start for a batsmen tbh, so I can't comment on how that works, but I imagine it wouldn't work too good. Personally I start everyone on 6 bars and if anyone survives long enough to reach the equivalent of 2 bars settled I move him up to 7 bars.

        As I said above my ODI batting has been hit and miss. Sometimes I just can't seem to score even a single and I get frustrated looking a constant stream of dot dot dot dot dot dot. Maiden. Dot dot dot............

        It's possible that for each player there's an optimum aggression for them to start their innings with and then the more they get settled there'll be an optimum aggression for them to continue their innings with. It's up to the player then to discover what that optimum aggression might be.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by El_Zigi View Post

          I've found myself cursing several times at the screen 'F**K**G HELL, CAN YOU NOT EVEN PUSH/NUDGE A SINGLE SOMEWHERE!!!'
          Oh yeah, I've had my batsmen play out two consecutive maiden overs during the powerplay, even with two or three aggression bars. To be fair, ICC 2010 is a lot better than ICC III in this regard, but it still is a problem (even though a lot of it depends on the player - although you'll never see the computer do it).

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          • #6
            And actually, the most frustrating thing is when your batsmen leave deliveries. It's like the AI is really toying with you - "Not only will I not let you score runs, I won't even make your batsmen play the ball!"

            I've seriously had an over in an ODI where my batsmen left six consecutive deliveries. Flummoxing.

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            • #7
              Yeah I've noticed that leaving the ball too much thing also. Must be a problem with the game engine. It's not quite right.

              In ODI's I start one of my openers (the aggressive one) on 5 bars. Now I would translate 5 bars like this: My batsman is going to play aggressively but not overly aggressive. In other words he's going to look to score off every ball that isn't a good ball, which he will respect. If he gets a particularly bad ball he'll certainly look to hit the boundary. He'll constantly be looking where he can score a boundary even off decent (but not good or better) deliveries. He certainly wont want to get bogged down so if the bowler is bowling well he'll take a chance here and there. If he gets out so be it. If he really fancies a bowler he'll look to score plenty off him, however without any big risk shots.

              Therefore I wouldn't expect him to leave 4 to 5 out of 6 balls bowled outside his off stump consistently, but this is what happens. However I'm only speculating as to how my batsman will play on 5 bars, I'm probably totally wrong. The game more than likely isn't as sophisticated.

              The system I use can't be all bad as I've posted 2 scores over 300 so far but there's been a few too many games where my batsmen just don't get going at all. Conditions play a part but they are misleading. Often times they'll look ideal for batting but the game will be very low scoring.

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              • #8
                In t20s there isn't really any tactic, start on close to max aggression and as he settles or if he's scoring too slow just ramp it up.
                In one dayers if chasing you can roughly set your bars to what the required run rate is. I generally start off batters on 4 (3 if it's a real easy chase) then as they settle (or as i hit each 10 over mark) i ramp up the aggression one bar. If batsmen are fully settled i'll start upping aggression every 5 overs. All depends on how their going though, if someones batting quickly on lower aggression i'll leave him, if someones going run a ball or less i'll general try to get his aggression up quicker. I've also run the tactic of starting one batsmen as i said and having the other opener (if he's a gun) start on 6-7 bars and go for a quick 50 (i use brad hodge as australia) seems to work ok if he doesn't go out. In odis aswell a slow start in the first 10 overs doesn't mean a loss as once their settled you can really smash some quick runs.

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                • #9
                  I like my two openers to have a strong pace bowling preference and to have an aggressive or, even better, very aggressive style and I start them on 5 bars. I'll do this regardless of what I'm chasing and I'll leave them on 5 bars regardless of how things develop. If one stays in and becomes fully settled I'll move him up to 6 bars but only if the RRR is over 5.5 or if he seems to be slowing down, if it's less than 5.5 and he hasn't been slowing down I'll leave him on 5. In the past I used to start everyone else on 3 bars until they reached the equivalent of 3 bars settled whereupon I'd promptly ramp them up to 5 bars. Lately though I've been starting some of my more aggressive 3-6 batsmen on 5 bars. This is because it seems getting bogged down happens more frequently in this game, but it could be just that I'm playing against stronger opponents (playing International as Pak) than in my previous saved game which was from ICC 08 as Durham.

                  In the last ODI I played one of my openers faced 60+ balls for his 25 runs having been on 5 bars for the duration of his innings. This is what annoys me. He got bogged down completly when the spinners came on. I don't mind that he's struggling to score plenty, I know spin isn't his thing, but what I do mind is that he just seemed to accept that he was being tied down without trying to do anything about it despite being on 5 bars. It's not like he was playing and missing, he just wasn't playing. On 5 bars I'd expect him to either score the runs or at least get out trying to score the runs so someone else can have a go. That's enough waffle from me now. I won the match anyway.

                  @outbreak - You're right about the first 10 over powerplay and scoring heavily in it, it isn't to be all and end all, which is just as well because it seems to be pretty tough to get off to a flyer. I'd say I average about 40 runs in those 1st 10 from all the ODIs I've played.
                  Last edited by El_Zigi; 02-21-2011, 03:57 AM.

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