Coaching Effectiveness

[Sureshot]

Has effectiveness reverted back to how it was?

After your last message Sureshot I was getting improvements in technique all the time and my latest season no one has had any despite being set for technique all season.

No. Who are you playing as?

[galvatron]

Has effectiveness reverted back to how it was?

After your last message Sureshot I was getting improvements in technique all the time and my latest season no one has had any despite being set for technique all season.

[Sureshot]

We've made some changes in the last patch to coaching, please let us know your feedback.

Effectiveness of training is significantly higher than it was in CC2021.

With regards to opener training being quicker, we don't agree with this, in First Class opening is difficult, there are various examples of players trying to open and struggling in the longer formats, like Jason Roy. Opener training should not be quick in the game. In the white ball formats, being an opener is less important in CC2022 than it was in CC2021 with our AI changes for this year

[cde]

I've been having some great success with coaching, more so than in other years, but it is still very patchy. Be interesting to see how the latest update changes that.

[Roberto_J]

The update is out in the next couple of days (just waiting on Google, as we're having to sync all releases for this patch), it does contain a change to coaching effectiveness. Once the patch is out we'll have a proper reply in here.

Ah just seen this after asking about the patch on a different thread, apologies (Can’t edit my comment as the post flagged and has not yet been approved)

[Sureshot]

Just curious if this eventuated, and if so, what was the update?

The update is out in the next couple of days (just waiting on Google, as we're having to sync all releases for this patch), it does contain a change to coaching effectiveness. Once the patch is out we'll have a proper reply in here.

[powercord84]

There is a change in the next update related to this thread. When the next update is out (which will take a bit longer as we're having to sync release across all platforms due to a match engine change), we will reply properly to this thread.

Just curious if this eventuated, and if so, what was the update?

[Sureshot]

There is a change in the next update related to this thread. When the next update is out (which will take a bit longer as we're having to sync release across all platforms due to a match engine change), we will reply properly to this thread.

[Lynx54321]

Another question RE coaching; coaching batting specialism for eg. one day opener, results in a player moving to the middle order for OD but not for T20. This would mean it isn’t possible to move player batting preferences in T20?

Leave them on it, the changes happen one at a time in sequence.

[r4V3N]

Another question RE coaching; coaching batting specialism for eg. one day opener, results in a player moving to the middle order for OD but not for T20. This would mean it isn’t possible to move player batting preferences in T20?

[Lynx54321]

Up to 17 votes and now one in the middle box in favour of keeping it as it is so top 2 box score down to 88%.

[Lynx54321]

13 votes so far and 92.3% in the top 2 boxes.

[cde]

In each case I had finished a match, saved the game and moved on to the next when the message about the player's improvement popped up.

Now I could understand if performances effected the rate of training. If I had played a match where they took 5-30, the message came up, I restarted the game then played the match again but this time they took 1-25. I would expect that to alter when training took effect.

If a player improved in those five days between matches once they should improve in those five days every time

[powercord84]

My isues are with how little clarity is given over what the coaching actually achieves and how the system works.

The first could be explained quite easily and quickly.

The second is my bugbear. When a coaching improvement actually happens is completely and utterly random. I have tested it numerous times by waiting for the "Boris Johnson has improved his ability to tell the truth" message (or whatever I am trying to improve) then shutting the game down without saving it. In theory that message should come up again, if not at the exact same time then pretty soon after. In practice that message might not come up at all, even if you have half the season remaining.

Coaching improvements should be effective through a combination of time and performance, not the flip of a coin.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. Coaching feels completely random, and your testing shows that it clearly is. I actually like that it's dynamic in some ways (i.e. some players will develop quicker than others, and some simply won't develop at all) - that's exactly how it should be, but the fact that the same player, in the same circumstances over the same period of time will have differing results is not great.

As pointed out above, it'd be great to get some sort of notification about coaching progress. Players don't necessarily need to get better quicker in my books, but if you got a generic message every few weeks saying something like "John Smith's training is progressing better than expected", "John Smith's training is on track as per expectations" or "John Smith's training isn't progressing as well as we'd hoped" - you could make a strategic decision about whether to persist with that players development.

[cde]

My isues are with how little clarity is given over what the coaching actually achieves and how the system works.

The first could be explained quite easily and quickly.

The second is my bugbear. When a coaching improvement actually happens is completely and utterly random. I have tested it numerous times by waiting for the "Boris Johnson has improved his ability to tell the truth" message (or whatever I am trying to improve) then shutting the game down without saving it. In theory that message should come up again, if not at the exact same time then pretty soon after. In practice that message might not come up at all, even if you have half the season remaining.

Coaching improvements should be effective through a combination of time and performance, not the flip of a coin.