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    Feel free to move if needed.

    This is a question for Sureshot really.

    We know with a batsman that if he's aggressive you can train him up or down one notch.

    With a bowler, when I train him to improve aggressive or defensive bowling, is this on one scale? I.e. if I improve the OD defensive bowling does that weaken their aggressive/attacking bowling? Sureshot
    Last edited by galvatron; 07-30-2020, 11:42 AM.

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    On the subject of player development I still feel the need to reiterate that youth players don't seem to be developing in game and this needs attention from the devs.

    If you go a few years into the future very few, if any of the 18-19 year olds who start on the fringes of county squads have developed into first team players.

    Aggression and opener training is also very frustrating given sometimes you get an increase in weeks and yet other times nothing happens over years. Perhaps it would be good to have a maximum length of time the training could be allocated after which you get a message saying the player cannot adjust, then at least it's not a frustrating waste of a coaching slot forever more.

    Thoughts Chris Child , Sureshot ?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by galvatron View Post
      Feel free to move if needed.

      This is a question for Sureshot really.

      We know with a batsman that if he's aggressive you can train him up or down one notch.

      With a bowler, when I train him to improve aggressive or defensive bowling, is this on one scale? I.e. if I improve the OD defensive bowling does that weaken their aggressive/attacking bowling?
      I kind of hoped that you could improve both defensive and attacking bowling, if not I’ve just been moving my bowlers up and down

      also with batting if I make him better at spin that hopefully doesn’t make him worse at pacers

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Jamesy1984 View Post

        I kind of hoped that you could improve both defensive and attacking bowling, if not I’ve just been moving my bowlers up and down

        also with batting if I make him better at spin that hopefully doesn’t make him worse at pacers
        Have you had much luck with defensive and attacking bowling? I've only ever stuck to general technique but I wonder if defensive bowling can be used to mould a t20 death bowler.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Lynx54321 View Post

          Have you had much luck with defensive and attacking bowling? I've only ever stuck to general technique but I wonder if defensive bowling can be used to mould a t20 death bowler.
          I’ve got improvements with it but who knows if it’s the training or the fact the player is getting older and more experienced

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          • #6
            I've had some improvements with the bowling aggression and defensive improvements but they don't usually seem to make a huge difference. Maybe dropped the bowling aveage by about 1 or the economy slightly but no more than if the bowler has had a slightly better season.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jamesy1984 View Post
              also with batting if I make him better at spin that hopefully doesn’t make him worse at pacers
              If I have a promising young player who is, for example, a spin specialist who really favours the back foot I always look to change that. It does seem to make them slightly less likely to smack the spinners around or play back foot shots but that seems to be balanced out by them not getting out to fast bowlers pitching it up. The only exception I make is if a player is a good LO batsman but merely ok FC batsman who strongly favours the off side I leave them like that.

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              • #8
                Player improvement is the area I find most frustrating. I understand that there must be only so much each player can improve and I don't mind finding out through trial and error but who improves and how quickly seems utterly random.

                It should be on a sliding scale where a player is hitting 75% of their ability but with say 10 weeks training will get it up to 80%, another 20 weeks to 85% and so on, but I have tested it out every year and it is just random. I've had a player improve then restarted the game without saving their improvement to see if it still happens as quickly. It never does.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by cde View Post
                  The only exception I make is if a player is a good LO batsman but merely ok FC batsman who strongly favours the off side I leave them like that.
                  This interests me, can a player even be good at one format and bad in another in the game?

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                  • #10
                    Players can definitely be better in one format than the others, one area where the game is fairly true to life.

                    The clearest two examples I could give are from my last CC19 save (playing CC20 on desktop but mostly playing on Android so playing both at the moment).

                    Glamorgan all-rounder Craig Meschede's FC average is 25 with the bat and 37 with the ball and OD average is 14 with the bat and 36 with the ball, these averages hold up in game. However his T20 averages are 17 with the bat and just over 21 with the ball and over the last 3 years he has averaged 12.65, 15.09 and 14.00 with the ball. He is very much a T20 specialist but his FC and OD averages would not warrant a place in a squad.

                    I also have a regen batsman Norman Gordan, an aggressive batsman early in his career. To get the best out of him I have to keep his aggression really low until he is about 2/3rds settled then let him go, when he smashes the bowlers all around the place. This is a problem in FC matches because he only gets above 10 50% of the time and in T20s he gets out cheaply because he needs to be settled to score quickly. He averages 29 in FC and 21 in T20s but a whopping 64 in OD matches, batting at 5. The combination of being able to build more slowly than in T20s against more defensive bowling than in FC cricket seems to get the best out of him.

                    Obviously what we all want is a Kohli or Smith who is consistantly excellent across all formats!

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